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Cruz/Grassley Introduce Alternative Gun Bill

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Senators Ted Cruz (Texas) and Chuck Grassley (Iowa) introduced an alternative gun bill this morning that would replace the current Senate proposal from Chuck Schumer and would replace the Manchin-Toomey background checks legislation. The proposal is the “Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act.” This Cruz-Grassley proposal would “improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, increase resources for prosecutions of gun crime, address mental illness in the criminal justice system, and strengthen criminal law by including straw purchasing and illegal firearm trafficking statutes.”

Grassley put an emphasis on the mental illness part of the bill. “We’ve put together an amendment that can effectively address some of the problems we’ve seen while protecting Second Amendment rights,” Grassley said. “I’ve been very interested in the mental health aspect of this debate, so we include provisions to study and address that issue.”

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) announced that she’d be opposing the Manchin-Toomey bill. Ayotte had been a key target for the Manchin-Toomey advocates and with her opposition it will be difficult to marshal 60 votes in favor. She has announced cosponsorship of the Cruz-Grassley proposal today.

Here’s the full summary of legislative provisions:

• Improve and reauthorize grants for NICS database;

• Require federal courts to submit relevant information to NICS;

• Ensure that relevant mental health records are submitted by states to NICS;

• Condition federal grant money for states on their submission of mental health records to NICS;

• Increase federal prosecution of gun violence by establishing the Nationwide Project Exile Program and establishing a high level federal taskforce;

• Study of the causes of mass shootings;

• Responsibly addresses gun violence by criminalizing straw purchasing of firearms and gun trafficking;

• Second Amendment Protections for Veterans;

• Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;

• Place Limitations on Fast & Furious type operations by DOJ;

• Authorize FFL’s to utilize the NICS database to for voluntary background checks of employees;

• Authorize FFL’s to access the FBI’s National Crime Information Center stolen gun database to ensure that a firearm is not stolen prior to acquisition;

• Reauthorize the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act (MIOTCRA) with amendments;

• Address school safety by Reauthorizes the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Secure our Schools Program through 2023.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.gerou Jeff Gerou

    SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE TO ME

  • labillyboy

    I am still not comfortable with adding mental health data to the background database. The devil is in the details here. What mental conditions would cause someone to be turned away from buying a firearm? How do they get around the privacy of medical records and the Doctor Patient privilege? The rest all seems reasonable, though I don’t really see it as worth the effort, since the current background check and other laws already criminalize most if not all of the behavior. On top of that, anything bad that you can do with a gun is highly illegal already and has been for centuries. People who are committing these crimes won’t have any problem getting around background checks. One more crime on their resume won’t bother them a bit.

    • mhsnider

      What we need is a law that everyone can own guns but if you use one in a crime you spend the rest of your life in a very bad prison. Make it so bad and for life the only people that would ever use a gun in crime would be a total nut job. Make it so bad that even the gang bangers will throw away their guns. Anything else takes away the rights of everyone else. The 2nd amendment says Shall NOT be infringed upon. ANY law taking away our rights is 110% Unconstitutional. PERIOD!!!!!!!

      • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

        Any criminal who uses a gun in a crime and kills someone should be guillotined on national TV.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mark.treadway Mark Treadway

          First, guillotine the bad guys hands and feet, just so that the bad guy can see the guilotine in action, then put his head in the vice….. and drop the blade.

          • http://twitter.com/AlRoberts3 Al Roberts

            We need NO NEW LAWS ON GUNS. Cruz and the others are wrong.

          • violater1

            Agreed and seconded! I am writing to Rand Paul to go kick him some texait back when he thinks he can get the votes s and iowa Senator asss! What in hell is wrong with these morons mudding the waters even more!
            Hell reid voted against the toomey – manchin bill in order that he can bring it up again when he feels he has the votes to put it through!
            Just stand strong and keep everyone on track and convince more to turn against reid and his ruthlessness!

          • Newhon63

            Now you are getting into Islamic forms of punishment. It is wrong for Islam and it is wrong for those who believe in The Constitution. We can’t have it both ways.

          • Robert McDonald

            Can no one have a sense of humor anymore without people like yourself going ballistic? Lighten up man.

          • Patriot

            Dittos! It’s not like we don’t have real battles and enemies to fight!
            One difference I have noticed between libertards and Conservatives, is that conservatives have a good sense of humor unlike libertards.

          • violater1

            I disagree this is war and we are not under the geneva convention on civilian uprising! Like hell we cannot have it any damn way we want it!LOL!

          • carlcasino

            Mark, I am all in. It would only take a couple dozen PUBLIC surgical procedures to get even the dumbest of our elite’s attention. I must couch my comments with the fact that we have bred two or three generations of progressives that have no idea what it took for them to plead STUPID in public…

        • violater1

          Damn wish I had thought of that! I love it ” Off with their head!” then thump roll and squirt and in living color no less!

      • parkerglp

        Then we have to depend on our corrupt congress and law enforcement to define ‘crime!’ Look at the people who have lost their CCWs and their firearms because their 7-year-old committed the crime of saying they were going to squirt someone with a squirt gun or a bubble gun or ???

        • Newhon63

          That was something the people who had their CCWs taken away to take the people who took them to court over. Things like that are just stupid. And I would get a well known lawyer to fight that. They would probably do it pro-bona, the publicity itself would put a stop to nonsense like that.

          • Robert McDonald

            How long have you lived in this world young fellow? How much experience do you have with these wonderful lawyers you talk about? I got news for you have a rude awakening coming. When you do wake up to reality, come back and post then.

          • violater1

            Pro bona are you for real! Greedy asssed lawyers are not going to touch a money maker like this for free! You make an attorney sound like a sociaal worker! Lawyers do not take the hypocratic oath of doing no harm! Get fuuckin real!

      • http://www.facebook.com/baleisen B Alan Eisen

        This wouldn’t work. Only a law abiding citizen would think that a criminal thinks about consequences. They don’t. So now what?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=633206295 William A Major

        took the words out of my mouth, freedom !………….. laws are made by the same idiots that get the guys off when they break them. we are the only ones that pay ,the law abiding

        • carlcasino

          “Laws are made BY lawyers FOR Lawyers” Check out Congress for the past 50 years?

      • Bill1966

        There are already a number of laws in place like this, however they are not prosecuting. Instead of more laws we need to enforce the ones already in place. Furthermore it should be that the use of ANY weapon in the commision of a crime is a mandatory 25 years of HARD LABOR. The ACLU has ruined the prison system. They get treated better then I do in my own home. I do not get free cable TV, or a free phone service. I say we revamp the prison system first, making it so that criminals will NOT want to commit the crimes in the first place. Also, the ENTIRE prison system should fall under the DOD instead of the DOJ. There should no longer be any state prisons either, all should be federal facilities run by the military.

        • violater1

          Boy howdy the days of prison Hard Labor have been gone in Florida for over 30 years! Now the only thing that is hard are the penal organ of the homosexuals that are incarcerated! I worked maintenance for 10 years with this sleezie bunch of prisons! Work is almost entirely voluntary for most inmates with some exceptions that is!

      • Conservativesniper

        I like it!

    • Doc

      As I have noted the limbs are working, actively, with the VA to declare many vets as “incompetent” because a) head injury b) loss of a limb, c) possible PTSD. They then notify the local PD to come and confiscate their guns. Nice, huh? Love your country; fight for your country and then get locked in the looney bin for political reasons; not reasons and without due process.

      • carlcasino

        I remember well Hitler & Stalins reign of Progressive enlightenment.
        You cannot fix Stupid—unless you can convince 12 of your peers that it was
        justifable.
        I hope to be one of the 12.

    • HongryHawg

      You make a lot of sense. And for that very reason, it won’t be looked at as viable. And that’s because disarmament is their goal. They’ve shown too many times that they are not interested in sensible solutions. Do you know why? Because they are not interested in sensible solutions. Disarmament. That is their ONLY interest.

    • Don August

      labillyboy – I believe a mere statement by a mental health professional that a patient under his/her care is a threat to themself or to others should suffice WITHOUT divulging the details of that individual’s particular disorder. That should adequately protect their privacy and insure that they will be denied LEGAL access to a firearm. I am very concerned that everyone’s privacy should be protected and that, should that individual arrive at a point where that threat no longer exists, the mental health professional will be required to so notify NICS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gary.crittenden.5 Gary Crittenden

      Who decides what “crazy” is?

  • Doc

    Think it just got shot down

    • sha49tn

      Not sure if this is the one that got shot down. I read it was the Toomey-Manchin one that got shot down.

      • Patriot

        Your right! Manchin is a lying sack of excrement. Toomey needs to pay a price next election cycle!

  • Stan Knapp

    I don’t trust the details of this plan. However to placate the media driven frenzy for gun control. It is something I can support.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baleisen B Alan Eisen

      If you don’t trust something you MUST NOT support it. That is how we get really bad laws.

  • Texas29

    I’m an NRA life member, and this proposal sounds good. Enforce existing laws which makes it harder on criminals and not on law abiding people!

    • Reverend

      This IS the way to go.

  • Ross Fortificacion

    I have a gun bill for these guys. Require anyone who votes to own a gun. If you are on public assistance, you can not vote. If you don’t have a job, you can’t vote. If you are a criminal, caught with a gun in the commission of a crime, mandatory 20 year sentence.

    • Steve j

      You made a tiny error. Allow me to fix that for you.
      Should read “mandatory life imprisonment”.
      Since it will always be whittled down regardless of any “mandatory” language in the sentencing guidelines.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mark.treadway Mark Treadway

        Why should we waste our taxpayer money to support a criminal for life in prison, when it costs about $45k/year to do so? A .22 to the side of the temple is much cheaper.

        • Conservativesniper

          Draconian law will make crime very unpopular. However, the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment, therefore it won’t happen. And why do we have to use taxpayer money? If his family won’t pay for his sustenance well,……. they’ll get tired of paying for the reject. Problem solved.

        • Steve j

          I stand corrected.

        • Newhon63

          While it is true that a .22 is cheaper. We can’t just go and kill everyone that breaks the law. your remedy works for me on the guy who raped, murdered and raped again in the same instance and while he was inside, he pumped iron to get more muscles than a body builder and abused and murdered everyone he/she could while inside. Being sentenced to triple life sentences is insane, Someone like that is a proven animal and demonstrated to the nation. Put that mad dog down.

          The reason why it costs 45k/ year to house each one is because they have access to all the things we do out here except for freedom. Cable, cigarettes, sex. you name it. All that should change. Prison is a place no one would want to go to or return to. It should be the definition of hellhole. (Sorry, Jan. no other way to express it). Guards take bribes and look the other way while powerful factions run the prison. These people should be separated into very small cells, not even enough to do a push up in. The ceiling should be close to the bed so that you can’t do a push up while in bed. These men and women should be given enough food to survive and that is it. Surely not enough to body build in order to become a more effective killer. Each prisoner eats in their cell. This would be to prevent inmates from taking other’s food by force. Education? Why? These fellows were not interested in getting educated while they were free. They want to learn now? Our own children are unable to go to college because we can’t afford to send them, I have no desire to pay to buy books so they can teach some monster how to skirt the law the next time he is out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/swaldrop1 Steve Waldrop

        one more change..at hard labor…ball and chain,armed guard!

        • Patriot

          Let’s not forget the Okefenokee swamps complete with gators!

      • Newhon63

        Essentially, when you do the crime, you do the time. If you are sentenced to 20 years, you serve 20 years, sentenced life, you serve life, which means you die in prison. Right now they consider life as a 20 year span as I understand it. if you go in at 20, you come out at 40. Plenty of life and anger in you to create the desire hurt people and to commit more crime. Mandatory sentencing will take the power to adjust the time sentenced in the hands of the judge, which too many of them are soft-hearted. Another thing is reducing a sentence because of “Good behavior”, What is that? They could not behave themselves while they were out here with us when it counted, they should not get time off just because they refrained from acting like an animal while inside.

        I do like the concept behind the movie, “Escape from New York” , a maximum security prison on Staton Island. You go in, you never come out. For the killers and the hopelessly violent criminals. Any attempted escapes are met with 1 warning to return to the island, the 2nd warning is you are blown out of the water. There are just too many hardened criminals nation wide who will never get out of prison , ever. To be humane, you air drop supplies, food , fresh water, spiked with mood relaxing drugs. to make the inmates docile. You do have the option to be “Put down” if you do not want to go inside. Just let a guard know you choose this option.

    • Doc

      I understand your line of thinking but with Obama in office and 25 million living on assistance or nothing we should disarm them when they most need their guns? Let’s start locking up the real criminals (like Reid, Schumer, & Feinstein) and then set about repealing laws; not making more useless ones.

      • http://twitter.com/jamescr54174058 james crawford

        Right! Shrinking this damn monstrosity of a Government on all dimensions!

  • sha49tn

    Sounds pretty good. And studying mental health is a good idea. People who have suicidal tendencies do not need weapons. Most of our vets, while they suffer from stress issues, such as PTSD, are not necessarily ‘mental’. I suffer from stress & anxiety, so take meds for that. But, I don’t own a gun, & know next to nothing about one, so I don’t need one, unless I take some kind of training on how to use it.

    • Victor Pirie

      sha49th: I suffer from stress & anxiety, so take meds for that. *** That statement right there is enough to get you deemed Mentally unstable, and therefore it would be illegal for you to Own a Firearm.

  • http://www.facebook.com/FullHouseAAA88 Steve Dennis

    And it also sounds reasonable to me. However, with our legislature, I would have to actually read a final bill in order to make certain what it does, and does not do, falls in line with the outline in the article above. Never forget, Obama tried to make his Obamacare bill sound reasonable–and, in fact, millions of Americans also thought it did. Sneaking it through without allowing our Senators or Congressmen to either read it, or debate it, sure wound up screwing the pooch, since it has done exactly the opposite of what the Emperor said it would do!

    • http://www.facebook.com/baleisen B Alan Eisen

      That was Nancy Pill-up- your- butt- osi. She needs to be voted out.

      • Patriot

        Try imprisoned for treason!

  • http://www.facebook.com/terry.croup Terry Croup

    STOP! Stop monkeying around with the 2A. Just stop it. Don’t do it. Leave it alone. Stay out of the 2A. Keep it as is. Don’t change it. Don’t add to it. Don’t take anything from it. Don’t make some goofy administrative law that tries to speak to it. STOP!

    • Newhon63

      Unfortunately as soon as they put an Assault ban on weapons the first time, they have already changed it and it set a precedence for more. Even if they pass something that makes sense, it will not be over, they will start playing with that, trying to twist it and turn it in order to try to fashion it into something they can create loophole in to slowly take the guns. We will have to continue to fight them and we will keep fighting them forever. It is why it is so important that we teach our children that these rights exist now so that they will know that if they want to keep them, they will have to fight for them too when we are all gone.

  • mhsnider

    The PROBLEM is that ALL laws restricting the 2nd amendment are Illegal and Unconstitutional. Every law restricting the 2nd amendment MUST be fought tooth and nail. Who is to say who is unstable? The government? Until 1967 even felons getting out of jail were given back their guns. Most felons (except gang bangers) get out of jail and go straight, most federal are for selling drugs, growing pot, not paying income tax, white collar crime, NOT bad people, just people who messed up and now lead law abiding lives. I know a few people like this. But if they get caught with 1 bullet they are looking at 5 years in Federal prison, this is BS. Now if you have a medical ID card for pot you are not allowed to own a gun. What’s next? You own a red car so you must be a mad person and can’t be trusted with a gun? EVERY law restricting guns rights MUST be fought tooth and nail. No exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give them an inch and next year they will be back for more. NO LAWS restricting our rights, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • charlie

    looks like cruz just lost my vote. now there is no one left. were are the patriots we need some one to come out of the woodwork to run next time there is no one on the horizon as of now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/reddwine Barbara’s Political Rantings

      Cruz is the best we have. You cant do better. Cruz is for we the people, dont lose faith, my brother

      • charlie

        sorry he just agree to a limitation on the 2nd amendment he now should be charged, along with all the others with conspiracy to subvert the Constitution of the USA. he is done for me.

  • Aristophanes

    If the senate just has to have a gun bill, I think this should be the one. It addresses the problems and does offer solutions. It is not a “grab the guns from private citizens” bill. I am hoping more senators support this bill.

    • Reverend

      I agree with you 1000%.

  • 1462

    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama is a fraud USURPER he has NO legal Constitutional Power or Authority

    to do squat!! READ THE F’N Constitution to which they Swore a Sacred Oath to Protect and defend against all enemies!!! Constitution also states that as long as a FRAUD USURPS the office of President Congress and the Senate can make and pass NO LAWS!!

    its in the Constitution…..read it!!!!

    Also states that even if Obama were legitimate and he is not, he still even through Treaties and Executive orders still DOES NOT have the legal power or authority to USURP the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and ecause he is a NWO FRAUD USURPER the Senate is powerless to ratifiy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nor can they give away our Sovereignty!!!

    OH YEA>>>and there is one more thing people and please look it up it is called the

    DICK ACT of 1902 it cannot be repealed and it NULLIFIES all gun laws ever written at

    both a State and Federal Level….It was put there for a reason and it cannot be repealed!!

    Because the 2nd Amendment is UNTOUCHABLE!!!!! Here is a link save it and use it as ammo. http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/3949

    • Nathan

      The Dick act was not passed stop spreading lies it was changed to the militia act of 1903

      • 1462

        no you idiot…they are one and the same and nothing in them has changed!!! DAAAAAAAAAAA
        Subject: Re: New comment posted on Cruz/Grassley Introduce Alternative Gun Bill

  • V

    I’m waiting to see what kind of “mental illness” things are required to be reported. If a doctor asks “have you ever felt down or depressed” no one alive can answer no.

  • Reverend

    Thank you Senators Ted Cruz and Chuck Grassley.

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    Any criminal who uses a gun in a crime and kills someone should be sentenced to be guillotined on national TV.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baleisen B Alan Eisen

      Bad idea. Once again a law abiding citizen tries to come up with a way to control crime. Europe has had the right idea for centuries. If you commit a violent crime with witnesses you are executed. Bye bye. We need to do this. And dissolve the NAACP along with the ACLU. They are the worst offenders.

  • Richard Howard

    I too have an alternative firearms bill, it is frequently refered to as the Second Amendment and has served us well for many, many years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.w.wieckhorst Peter W. Wieckhorst

    Frankly its all window dressing. A criminal is not likely to go into a gun store to buy a gun. That criminal is more likely to go into a gun store to rob it, take the cash and some guns with ammo of course. I say again concerning the 2nd Amendment there are no: If’s, And’s, But’s, or Exceptions listed. In fact it states “…Shall not be INFRINGED.” So until there is another Amendment to the constitution that does establish exception’s, and so forth, All the laws ever passed over Gun Control are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Remember an old saying, “Do it Right or don’t do it at all.”

  • MikeS

    Still very bulky and pointless. A no vote is absolutely important.

  • Guy Stephenson

    I’m with you labillyboy! In New York, they are trying to list anyone with mental issues as those who have or still do use prescription medications like prozac (depression/anxiety), ritilin and alderal (ADD or ADHD), ambien (insomnia) and other similar products. Do you have any idea how many people that would include that take or have taken these in the past? Insomnia considered mental health issue prohibiting gun ownership??? ADD?? Even depression does not typically cause someone to kill people other than possibly themselves. And you’re correct about the HIPAA privacy laws and doctor/patient laws. Perhaps that’s why under ObamaCare doctors are no longer to be called doctors but medical providers on the govt payroll. I personally signed a HIPAA form and noted that NO MEDICAL, PERSONAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION ABOUT ME OR ANY FAMILY MEMBER SHALL BE PROVIDED TO ANY FEDERAL AGENCY WITHOUT MY EXPRESS PRIOR AUTHORIZATION. It’s getting that bad!

  • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

    I don’t trust the DC Creature, PERIOD! Nothing it does works and only costs millions, Billions, TRILLIONS! DC can stick its unConstitutional “gun control legislation” right up there where the sun don’t shine… right next to their collective head.

  • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

    FBI guy on Cavuto today, when asked what will happen to the info collected in the federal background checks, answered that once the information is checked, it will be destroyed. BULL CRAP! NOTHING DC COLLECTS IS DESTROYED!

    • Patriot

      Ya, and I got a bridge I can sell you! :)
      They will put that info into a national database for sure!

  • Kirk

    Seen where the Brady Act denied 2 million people guns but the vast majority the ATF didn’t consider a threat to society so they didn’t pursue.
    Both sides seem to be willing to spend millions to give people the illusion their safe from wacko’s but does nothing to address gangs or inner city crime. I live outside Philly and was told not to take a gun there even though I have a CCP but they seem to shoot people every night! Hummm guess they forgot to read and follow all those laws

    • http://www.facebook.com/baleisen B Alan Eisen

      Philthydeadphia has a no- gun law. Only the shepherds are allowed to have or carry one. After all you need to be sheared.

  • FedUpLibBS

    Mental Health has already been shown to not work in Der FUHRER’s new ideas… Fuhrer”s little butt buddy, ANDREW CUOMO, has used Medical records (supposed to be Confidential??) to rescind pistol permits, and sent NY State Police to CONFISCATE Firearms. I can see FUHRER OBAMA doing Nothing LESS!!

  • mel

    Every act a crimanal uses is already against the law and passing more laws based on the tool used does nothing to stop the act. If laws stopped crime the jails would be empty.

  • Carla

    Totally believe we need to address mental health issues…. but PLEASE take all this out of any gun bill…… leave our gun rights alone!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000566016427 Bill Roe

    Like the Senate is really going to go for that one!

  • CrustyOldGeezer

    Better ‘background check’ plan.

    Once every quarter, every Sheriff in every county runs every Citizen in his jurisdiction.

    Then the FFL dealers in his jurisdiction runs 30 names for every gun purchase being made, 29 name at random, and the actual purchaser.

    If the purchaser comes back clean, they get the firearm, and nobody in government knows who bought what type of firearm.

    IF the name comes back as ineligible, the buyer gets to force the creator of the data base to PROVE the restriction in 30 days, or the name is removed from the restricted list.

  • Doc

    We keep saying it but no one hears us. No one is prosecuting existing NICS violations but considering the non-AG who only pursues white men it is even more surprising. They REALLY want military mental health records so they can get PTSD patients. Funny, isn’t it that most mass murders are committed by liberal Democrats yet they chase non-violent veterans. I keep praying the American people will wake up in 2014 and remove a bunch of the liberals from CO, CA, CT, NJ, and the communist nation of NY, but sense those states are occupied by cowards and sheep I don’t have high hopes. Fight America. Fight or learn how to bow down. I won’t die on my knees; the rest of you do as your conscience dictates.

  • Kirk

    Maybe instead of another bill with a different favor they should go after the day in and day out gun crimes….like gangs.
    If the Tea Party/Republicans would have presented something to address out of control health care costs instead of saying how bad Obama care was they’d have fixed something. Then again Regan was right…..government isn’t the answer it’s the problem!

  • Dave G

    We already have enough corruption in all so-called legal procedures, leave well enough alone and move on to more pressing issues such as Fast and Furious, Benghazi and investigate Obama’s legitimacy to be president.

  • Dave G

    We should look at the crime rates where guns are mandatory. We don’t hear much about that now days do we? Mandatory Gun Ownership. And watch the crime rate go down. Not to mention, we are entering a dangerous time as a country and there may very well be a need for every citizen to be able to not only protect themselves but pitch in to protect this country from threats both foreign and domestic.

  • Mark

    I have a problem with the mental health as well, who determines what mental illness is? Some probably would believe that if you believe the Bible (i.e., in miracles, creation etc.) you must be mentally ill. Or if you believe that homosexuality and abortion are sin then you must be mentally ill. I see the potential of labeling pro-gun people as mentally ill in order to get around the Second Amendment.

  • marineh2ominer

    Any liberal progressive shrink will have the authority to label anyone they want as being too unstable to have firearms . Not to mention thousands of progressive bureaucrats in the system that can accidently on purpose make mistakes deptriving someone the ability to protect themselves because they are personally against firearms freedoms .

  • Platinum

    We need NO NEW GUN LEGISLATION what we need is to enforce what is currently in place. There is no amount of legislation that will stop criminals or the mentally unstable from committing a crime of any sort. We all would be best served if all LAW ABIDING CITIZENS carried a firearm. Here in the south were sane people live our crime rates have significantly dropped simply because the criminals do not know who does or does not have a firearm. Thank the CHL laws for this.

    The notion that more intensive background checks is a joke. Background checks have been in place for decades and have worked very effectively. If a person purchases a firearm from an FFL dealer whether at store front, over the internet or at a gun show an NCIS background check is performed. More often than not the person purchasing the firearm is put on a 72 hour hold and definitely will be if they any type of criminal history.

    Criminals have always skirted the laws and always will. There is no way to protect every person all the time much like driving a car every time one get behind the wheel of a car one takes a risk of being killed in that car. So have we banned cars? NO and we will not ban cars. The same goes for any type of daily activity anyone undertakes there is a risk involved in doing whatever one may do.

    Therefore in order to keep every person safe all the time DO NOT LEAVE YOUR HOME, NEVER GET OUT OF BED, DO NOT EAT, DO NOT SMOKE, DO NOT BREATH and we will all be dead inside of three months. Sound like a good plan? NOT!!!!!

    NO NEW GUN LEGISLATION enforce what is currently in place!!!!!!!!!!

  • junkmailbin

    this still goes against the 2nd. Cruz has just made himself a moderate. He is now not trustable

  • aaa3570

    I don’t consider this new bill to be any better than the one just defeated in the Senate. The constitution says our rights to firearms will not be infringed. It doesn’t say that exceptions can be made for mental illness or for certain types of weapons. Our second amendment rights have already been infringed enough.

    • Patriot

      Words mean things:

      INFRINGE:

      Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: “infringe on his privacy”.
      What’s not to understand?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W3D3IBRCFNNJ6XQHPXCEMNNIEA Rodney

    I’m disappointed in Cruz. NO “infringements” of any DAMN KIND!
    Amendment II. “A well regulated militia, being
    necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to
    keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
    What the hell is so hard about “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” for people to understand?

    • Patriot

      Yep, it’s not rocket science:

      INFRINGE:

      Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: “infringe on his privacy”.

      What’s not to understand?

  • WolfenStorm

    In the USSR, a lot of people were sent to prison camps after being deemed mentally ill. Most of them simply did not agree with the communists in power. So being a free thinker, a true educator, a writer, or even hosting a gathering of like minded souls could put them in prison for years. “Your papers, please”.

    How quickly history is forgotten, buried, or deemed irrelevant. In fact, ‘they’ are counting on this.

    • Patriot

      “How quickly history is forgotten, buried, or deemed irrelevant. In fact, ‘they’ are counting on this.”

      This is why we are repeating it!

  • Newhon63

    Any legislation that they propose MUST be scrutinized and evaluated by experts, not from the government. Those guys will say whatever their bosses tell them to, and their bosses will do the same all the way up to His Majesty and we all know where he is coming from.

    We must not allow anything to be passed that can be interpreted depending on what they want. Especially the mental health component of legislation. An example was expressed to me about a husband and wife thinking about divorce, they go to Marriage counseling and the husband expresses feelings of anger, the wife feelings of depression. If they so desired, some jerk up there in the DOJ could say both had been under mental health care and therefore added to this blacklist of ineligible to have any firearms. We all know Washington runs on technicalities left and right. It all depends on what they want to happen and right now the main agenda is to disarm as many of us as possible. No matter whether we are responsible gun owners or not. If they can make any of us “look unstable” on paper, that will be all she wrote for that person. It won’t matter if it is true or not. On paper, the person is crazy or unpredictable and therefore a danger to him/herself or others.

    • Newhon63

      The stuffed shirt reading the information would see 2 things on that paper, 1) A man and a woman are angry and depressed( which to the reader would mean that the man and the woman are both Angry and depressed) and 2) A doctor’s name. The reader would only see doctor, they would not bother to check further to see it was a marriage counseling, they would assume it was a psychiatrist or other mental health professional and deem the subjects unfit.

      Anyone care to disagree with my theory? It will be hard for anyone to insist on the government level of compentency in anything, let alone the 2nd Amendment.

  • Jed54

    They left one out – Door to door confiscation after Martial Law is instituted…

  • Deputy Duffy

    NO “gun control”. Period. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None!
    What part of shall not be infringed do these so called educated twerps not understand???

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

    When RINO’s and left wing nut jobs learn how to read plain English we will be alright, until then they hope the left wing union school system taught us how to say one thing. Master may I? They are the problem, no nothing idiots who live off our dime, I say to heck with everyone of them, sick bottom feeding idiots who never had a real job, just a hand out job for life, sick bunch of un-educated idiots is what the senate and congress.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    What is to stop the Obama Administration from making the determination that anyone who opposes their rule is mentally deficient?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rich-Haynes/100000145346677 Rich Haynes

    Oh sure, your Doc will turn you in for being mentally ill because you own a firearm.

    • Patriot

      Once Obamacare kicks in your “Doc” may no longer be yours!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rich-Haynes/100000145346677 Rich Haynes

    Its already illegal to be a straw purchaser and traffic in guns. No new laws, none.

  • Cynyster

    This is all a distraction. None of these laws would have prevented any of the shootings. We are wasting our time and money when we should be dealing with Benghazi, the economy, Fast & Furious, Voter Fraud etc etc etc

  • James Maxwell

    I can agree with parts of this but the mental health part still bothers me. The reason is
    that Vets are the ones who are targeted by the malcontents who hate the military and
    do not have the slightest clue about what stresses and trama that military members face
    daily when deployed. They are targeted by the politicans at ever twist and turn as a
    result. For what ever reason the politicos find military members both retired and active
    an easy target for thier attacks and claims of mental issues. I would suggest that we
    need to look at the politicos and some police depts for mental problems. Thier
    hatred of our laws and the U.S. Constitution seem to border on total obsession.

  • shesapatriot

    NO MORE CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.burneysr John Burney Sr

    I have a thought, we already have enough laws on the books… So lets stop paying the law makers & enforce the laws we have.. All of this is a waste of time & money….