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Georgia Charter Schools to Bring AR-15 Rifles on Campus

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Gainesville City Schools (Georgia) are considering whether to allow armed security guards on campus to store police-provided AR-15s in locked gun safes on campus to defend schools against active shooter situations.

Gainesville City Schools is looking into letting campus police officers use these rifles at three of its eight schools.

Right now officers carry pistols. The rifle has twice as much ammo, fires three times farther and is more accurate.

By having it in the school, their reasoning is the officer can react more quickly and effectively to a heavily armed intruder.

The three schools are charter schools and their governance councils plan on discussing and voting separately.

You can expect Moms Demanding Denial and Avoiding Common Sense and their parent group, Mayors Against All Guns, to flip out over this proposal to bring “evil black rifles” into these schools, because their positions are those of fear-driven neophytes.

An average AR-15-style rifle in the hands of an average school guard (or any average shooter), are not just easier to shoot accurately under stress than handguns, but when paired with the right sort of ammunition and optics, can be both much more effective in stopping a threat with an accurate shot, and pose less of an over penetration threat, both vital considerations in a crowded school environment.

An average 9mm or .40 S & W service pistol carried by police and armed security guards generally feature open sights and magazines of about 15 rounds (give or take a few each way depending on model). The same officer/guard then carries two spare magazines on his/her belt, for a grand total of roughly 45 rounds of ammunition.

Most shooters are only going to be reasonably accurate with these firearms under stress to a distance of just 7-10 yards. This is why so many shootings (regardless of who is involved) end up with the target being fired upon missed repeatedly, or only suffering perimeter wounds, while those downrange suffer the brunt of the damage. This is compounded by the fact that service pistol ammunition designed for police use (which security forces and concealed carriers alike tend to adopt for legal liability reasons we don’t have time for here) also tends to be designed for penetration; there is the distinct possibility that bullets fired into a suspect will continue on through entirely or in fragments to hit students and staff downrange.

A situation that illustrates what happens as a result of these factors was a shooting in New York City just over a year ago: police fired at a armed suspect 16 times, hit him ten times, and wounded nine innocent bystanders, many with bullets and bullet fragments that exited the suspect.

If the Gainesville schools use quality hollowpoint or frangible ammunition, their AR-15s will have more effect on what they shoot than a pistol bullet (more energy to transfer, more efficiently transferred), while at the same time, tending to fragment more and over-penetrate less than a typical hollowpoint pistol bullet, which doesn’t reliably gain the velocity out of pistol-length barrels needed to reliably fragment.

Any of various “red-dot” sights (along with proper training, it must be said) on a AR-15 is going to enable these guards to accurately engage threats to 200 yards, far beyond the effective range of their pistols.

If the armed guard at Columbine who engaged Eric Harris had an AR-15 instead of just a pistol…

Sadly, it isn’t hard to anticipate the visceral response of anti-gun activists and those parents who simply don’t understand the capabilities of the platform. Let’s hope that they have experts from the Gainesville Police on hand who are capable of explaining these advantages to concerned parents.

If they do a good enough job of explaining these advantages, expect for a few folks who were fearful of AR-15s from biased media coverage to revise their opinions.

After all, the AR-15 isn’t the most popular centerfire rifle in the United States without reason.

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  • 2War Abn Vet

    Locking a gun in a safe is a method of ensuring that you don’t have it when you need it. It would be more effective to equip teachers with bricks.

    • TBJWebmaster

      Better than not having it at all, at least maybe the good guys on the spot can contain the situation somewhat with their handguns whilst others rush to unlock the safe. And handgun is easier to safely carry with you, unless all you are doing is to stand guard. So, IMHO, better than not having them available at all, but not as good as having them in your hands.

      • BigUgly666

        Not a gun-guy, huh?

    • Skyhawk

      You are right. .A gun locked up somewhere is no more effective than Police that are 20 miles away. Having lived with guns for many years, both in the armed forces and police, sometimes having one in a holster is not close enough, especially if you do not have a round in the chamber.

    • boccagalupe

      Absolutely right!!!! What good is a weapon if it is not at the ready? How long does it take to empty a couple of clips at un armedf folks?? Now consider how long does it take to find the holder of the gun-safe key open the safe, checkout the weapon and ammo load the clips and go after the bad guys?? Now consider how many people died in that time.

  • marcdepiolenc

    Two problems with this: A high power rifle is just not an appropriate weapon in a crowded area. Its long range and penetrating power raise the probability of killing or wounding somebody whose only crime is being in the wrong place. Item two is that they’re going to keep these things in safes. By the time the alert is given, the keys are found, the safes are opened, the guns are issued, the ammo is found…. the incident will be over. To be effective against the unexpected, the weapon must be CARRIED at all times. So this measure manages to be both too much and too little at the same time.

    • Doc

      Unless you use SS109 rounds, they penetrate less, as the bullet tends to break up, when it hits an object. Rifles are more accurate and they will hit a subject harder. If they are kept locked in a rack that is located in the officer’s office and they have a secure but rapid release system, then they will enhance the ability of an officer to respond to an active shooter.

      • BigUgly666

        … and it will be all over by the time anyone gets to these “combat weapons” and gets back to the “active shooter”.

    • REALLY? SO.. when a bad guys comes in with an AR15 is starts shooting.. You tell me if it makes a difference THEN.. it will NOT.

  • LorenD

    While this may be a step in the right direction, it will be virtually useless… Locked in a safe somewhere only takes more time, the threat is identified then you have to go get the gun then make your way back to the threat – a lot of wasted time there. Why not just carry them? they are “armed guards” already aren’t they? They why not arm them with sufficient force?

  • DouglasDauntless

    They should guard the school with the AR 15 locked and loaded slung over their shoulder. And the teachers should carry a 45 auto. The teachers that don’t want to do that for what ever reason should go teach at another school where it is a gun free killing zone. Obama would lave that so he could find a nut case and send him or her there to kill the children, so he can promote gun control so he can slaughter all of us who do not agree with our king and ruler. There will never be another election held for President again in America. Be armed and be ready.

    • zombiekiller117

      When my father was in high school in Australia back in the 50’s the students were issued standard service rifles to keep at home as part of their Cadet training. His school also had a Vickers machine gun, but that remained at the school.
      I saw the article headline and assumed the students would be carrying AR-15’s, perhaps that is what needs to be done, of course it couldn’t done in an area of ‘Diversity’ though…..

  • Fred_K

    If the libs do not want guns in the schools, make them guard the school with pea shooters. That would be the equivalent of a gun free zone. They can sacrifice their lives to save the children. Of course, they would run at the first inkling of a threat, and leave the children to die at the hands of a mentally ill shooter.

  • BigUgly666

    My, God, if anyone who knows anything about guns actually reads this and thinks it’s a good idea ….. they are certifiably insane.

    • Really? Tell me why? I know about as much if not MUCH More than you and think its a great idea.

      • BigUgly666

        Of course you do, dear ….. an expert in your own mind.

  • hot dog

    If they are properly trained then they should have then on there person not locked up and maybe far away from them to do any good.

  • Johnny Geetar

    The dissenters below are disturbing. The Israelis have been arming their schools and teachers for the better part of a decade, and they stopped Muslim Ballbagism dead in it’s tracks! No more school bombings and shootings. Guess what? The business model WORKS! We’ve TRIED it the other way, and it’s been an industrial grade fail! Undisputably. Arming schools and the folks inside it has been refined, exercised, and built into a standard procedure that is KEEPING ISRAELI CHILDREN SAFE. Also undisputable. Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook; ALL would have had an entirely different outcome had the Israeli business model been in place. Also undisputable. Do you want your children to be safe, or DON’T you? Keeping in the same old comfort zone will only ensure more mass school shootings. Folks don’t freak when they see armed guards at banks, or in courthouses, government buildings, police stations, cops on patrol, etc., but will freak if they are used to protect the most precious posession you have?

  • Charles R Nicholls

    Why are the police themselves not providing the protection? If a small town like Searcy AR can do it, why can’t most other cities that are small? Granted, i am gld that thee will be possibly armed security with AR15’s on hand but how well are they trained? Where were they trained? these are the questions that have to be asked.

  • SRM29

    Think of how many military vets could be hired if this was widely implemented…
    They have a whole lot more experience holding a rifle safely all day, at the ready.

  • TonyG

    When I was trained in close quarters combat, IE: house,
    building etc. We used tactical shotguns and a 1911-A1 in the holster. Granted
    this is like 100 years ago to today’s training standards. The team I was on
    trained every day. As we were placed under stressful situations, I saw
    experienced team members miss at close range with a single projectile weapon. With
    a tactical shotgun if you pull up or side to side, you will still acquire your
    target. A tool of any type locked away is a useless tool when you need to acquire
    it in an emergency.

    • Problem with CQB is that most of the time all you are encountering is “bad guys” so a shotgun with OO buck is fine.. you dont care where the extra pellets go. In this situation, an M4 or AR15 with 14″ or 16″ barrel and single point sling is the best.

      • TonyG

        Jim, only if you train train train. Otherwise you spray bullets and hit friendly’s. Think about it, do you think a school security guard is constantly training with an AR15? When you are on offense attempting defense and your heart is racing, and you are an average person how do you think your grouping will be? Most AR15s on the market are a .223 which was designed to go through a person, into a person and then into another person. The round was designed to do damage not to take out a target. It will go through a wall and hit what is on the other side. A pellet will typically stop at the wall. How many school security guards are trained in a crisis situation? Most are retired 60+ years of age with maybe one city or county cop on staff. If you are in a school hall or classroom to you not think that is CQB?

  • I can see them storing the guns so that causal access is not allowed.. AND.. we really dont need to see them walking around with a one or two point sling either. Just have to balance access & safety. I agree Wholeheartedly with this proposal. People who are just “scared” of these weapons are overreacting out of sheer IGNORANCE.

    They also have NO idea what its like to go up against someone with an AR15 – AK47 or SKS and only have a 9mm handgun. After the first 20 rounds fly all over around you .. your handgun doesn’t quite seem up to the challenge. The only thing you hope for is that he runs out of ammo and has to change mags.. then you only have a couple seconds.

  • Fr Jim Rosselli

    Good for Gainsville! About time somebody in a school system had some sense,.

  • JG

    The problem goes way deeper than this….
    As long as we keep teaching kids that God does not exist and they are nothing more than products of chance and time, nothing more than animals who evolved from slime, we can expect more sensless acts of despair such as school shootings, wether there are AR-15s or armed guards or not. Why should we even expect anything different if the above is what they believe?
    But if we were to look to God, that is the creator of the universe as revealed in the holy scriptures, the triune Almighty God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and see that life is precious and each of us were created in His image, then we would have hope and a sense of purpose, and a healthy fear of judgement by God for the wrong we do, should we reject His offer of eternal life given freely in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior…
    Jesus is the answer……