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Gun Control Advocate: “Arming Women is NOT the Answer to Stopping Sexual Assault”

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The organization “Safe Campus” in Colorado is pushing for a November ballot initiative to BAN concealed carry on the states college campuses.
The group’s founder, Ken Toltz says “arming more women to fight the growing epidemic of sexual assaults on campus is not the way to go.”
According to Toltz, “The statistics are really worrisome about how prevalent sexual assault is on college campuses. We’re not doing enough, and handing out guns is not the solution.”

What is your solution,Ken? Peeing on the attacker? Submitting to the rape and beating with the hope an attacker will let you live?
Toltz’s phrase “handing out guns” shows just how ignorant he is about concealed carry.
For your info, Ken, there is no effort or initiative to “hand out guns” to women. People who have a concealed carry permit have had training, have a legal right to carry for the purpose of self defense, and have “purchased” their guns “legally” which is more than I can say about the criminals and thugs out there with guns.

Ken’s focus is wrong and his priorities are misplaced.
Here’s a novel idea for you Ken:
Rather than focus on disarming law abiding citizens, how about you channel your energy at the stopping the thugs by increasing security on campus, better lighting at night in high risk areas, and offering free self defense and situational awareness programs for students?

According to Boulder’s The Daily Camera, Toltz also said those who defend concealed carry as a way for women to fight sexual assault “politicize” and conflate two issues – sexual assault and concealed carry – which ought to be dealt with separately.
He used these comments to try to undercut the effectiveness Amanda Collins’s testimony before the Colorado legislature. Collins testified about “how a concealed [carry] gun may have allowed her to stop her sexual assault as it was happening on a college campus in Nevada.”

Katherine Whitney just graduated from Colorado University’s law school. She has a concealed carry permit and said, “There are women in this state who have been raped on campus but have concealed carry permits and are still completing their degrees. It’s very important that they are able to attend a university where they’re permitted to carry on campus.”

Toltz did not explain why his group is pushing a ban that will disarm law-abiding female gun owners who go through an extensive personal background check before being issued a concealed carry permit for self-defense.

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  • Chief47

    Tolltz is so far out in left fiend that it isn’t funny. The only way for this jackass to understand the real problem with women being sexually assaulted would be for him to be married with daughters and have either his wife or daughter sexually assaulted. Then we would see real quick how much of a gun control freak he would be. Remember, Ken, if it ever happens to a member of your family, tell them to just call 911 after it is over with and wait for the cops to get there a few hours later.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      Recall Michael Dukakis and his hand wringing equivocation about what he would do if his wife were to be attacked?

  • Nonameever

    Gun Confiscation Fanatic: “Empowering Women to defend themselves is NOT the Answer to Stopping Sexual Assault [because sexual assaulters are generally minority, deprived and lack White privilege]”

    • Clint

      If I had my way they would lack the ability to breathe. Problem solved.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      Ask any perpetrator of sexual assault if he lost interest in continuing the attack after he was shot. That’s if he’s still breathing…

    • CourtneyrrR

      Its why we don’t listen to stupidity and listen to reason and commonsense.

  • Nonameever

    All must learn from the example of Our Obama and in the face of any opposition, immediately lean forward and grab the ankles with both hands and grin wildly

    • Clint

      I will grab something but it won’t be my ankles, and I doubt seriously that I’ll be grinning. Then again, I doubt there will be a grin on the others face either. Now I’m grinning. ;<)

      • Daniel F. Melton

        That’s not a smile, that’s a predatory baring of teeth. Remember to double tap.

        • Clint

          Always double tap.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Yabetcha!

  • CrustyOldGeezer

    I agree.

    No woman should go through life needing to carry a weapon.

    My solution you ask?

    When a person assaults any other person in a violent manner with criminal intent, put them behind bars UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER A THREAT.

    And if they die in prison because they never learn manners, change to minimum penalty to death by public hanging.

    Sooner or later the criminals will get the message that they just aren’t welcome anymore.

    IF you are a woman, and have ever voted democrat or RINO, then you voted for the current “turn ’em all loose, and hope the People never make the connection to insufficient incarceration and PUNISHMENT.

    Politicians that pass ‘feel good laws’ that protect criminals and punish Citizens and ‘judges’ that feel sorry for the rapist that didn’t get to see his mommy nekked when he was 5.

    • disqus_IK4JLhzYdo

      The problem I see with your idea is the “when a person assaults any other person” part. That means that the rape or assault still happened. And you’re right; no woman SHOULD have to go through life needing to carry a weapon. We shouldn’t need to worry about taking a walk alone, or leaving a bar alone either, but we do. Until society becomes outraged enough to make the necessary changes to the thought processes that feed certain men with the need/desire to control women, a properly handled gun can level the playing field and save a woman’s life.

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        Enough muggers, rapists and other such garbage ends up dead on the streets, and Fully Informed Juries REFUSE TO CONVICT in self defense cases, even if the perp is running away, the DA’s will stop trying and the politicians will begin to take notice that THE PEOPLE no longer care to follow their failed path any longer.

        Besides, a long line of dead criminals will send a very loud message to the criminal element as well.

        • Daniel F. Melton

          ***Besides, a long line of dead criminals will send a very loud message to the criminal element as well.***

          Come to think of it, that could improve the political herd as well.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            I included them in the criminal element.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Perhaps a draft lottery? We have the evidence of the damage “professional politicians” have done to this nation.

            The absolute worst choice for any position of authority is that person who will do anything to win that position…

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            I used to consider it odd that a person would spend millions to get a temporary (2 year) job that only pays $160,000 a year.

            But, they have no ‘poor’ friends at the end of the first term do they?

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Those with “poor” friends don’t get elected to begin with, and the rich friends just get richer.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            Their ‘poor’ relatives are no longer burdened with the real world financial problems either.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            True!

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        The rape or assault has to be real and not imagined.

        When the thug makes the first attempt in a forceful manner, it ends there.

        I carry a .45 ACP. Mostly because the noise gets everybodys attention.

        If the thug has friends, they will soon be ‘unfriended’.

        • So… crustyoldgeezer… you carry a ,45 but you think women should not be allowed to carry?

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            Jan, I honestly do not know how to answer that question.

            Perhaps if you were to read all of the posts I put up in this thread, you could rephrase the question so it can be answered with some degree of accuracy?

            Perhaps the one directly below this comment?

          • Clint

            Jan, I was more than a little confused after reading some of crusty’s posts, but in the end I think he meant that it is a real shame that women have to carry to feel safe in our country. That they cannot walk the streets unmolested therefore have the need of self protection. As long as we don’t live in utopia, me and mine will be packin’. Semper Fi.

      • newhon63

        Exactly. It is every legitimate citizen of the United States of America right to have and bear arms for this reason and so many others. Our Forefathers did not write in there that we have the right to have and bear arms so long we register them, train with them, keep them under lock and key until needed. I do not lock mine up. What is the point in doing it? So if someone does break in, I have to get the key, fumble around to get the trigger lock off so I can defend myself? Why don’t I just do all that then hand it to the bad guy and he can kill me with my own gun? Instead, I taught my son to respect the gun, assume it is loaded, treat it like it is cocked and ready even if it is not. Never point it at anyone. Before handing someone a gun, point it down, check the chamber, if someone hands you a firearm and you see them check, take it muzzle down and check it yourself.

        He will know where it is so when I am not home and he needs to defend himself.

        The training part is something that concealed weapon permit holders do anyway. They know how to handle their firearms as many of us even if we do not hold a permit to carry. Libs, RINOS and other anti-gun groups act like gun lovers are a bunch of lunatics running around cocking their guns and playing cowboys and Indians. People probably pass CCW holders on the street and have no idea at all that they are armed.

      • CourtneyrrR

        Precisely!. Case closed .

    • HappyClinger

      I’d just as soon save the taxpayers’ money and defend my life any way I have to, which is up to me to decide, not some bureaucrat with a tyrannical political agenda. A couple well-placed bullets is way cheaper than paying for some scumbag to spend years in prison.

    • Lee Dutra

      Agree these creeps need to be stopped, but I think a .357 to the head is more effective than trying to reform them after the crime has been committed. JMHO

      • Clint

        A 357 to the head is quite reforming.

      • Daniel F. Melton

        Aim low and walk the point of aim up with the recoil. A hit below the belt gets immediate attention as there are HUGE blood vessels and other important structures and organs down there. A severed femoral artery will have ’em bled out in a minute or two.

        • Lee Dutra

          Interesting concept, I’ll have to write that in my notebook so I remember it. Thanks Daniel.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Be safe.

    • Rick

      But PRIOR to the assault, a woman, or anybody for that matter, have the right to defend themselves how they choose. Saying that guns in the hands of women is NOT the answer is short sighted. Of course is is not the “only” answer, but trying to disarm anyone is simply wrong. PERIOD!

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        “Prior to the assault” the woman has no need to defend herself..

        To preemptively remove he RIGHT to defend herself is unconscionable and should be punishable by the most serious manner available.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      Ya keep ’em alive, ya got to feed and guard ’em. Eventually they’ll be let out because of time served or “prison overcrowding”, and they won’t be happy about being locked up either.

      Flush ’em and the problem is solved.

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        Do you find it odd that liberals always want to feel sorry for the criminals because ‘society treated them poorly’ as children, and they should be given what they want in life. then when somebody uses the only possible way he can get into a violent, overcrowded place to live, the liberals throw them out of the place they wanted to be?

        • Daniel F. Melton

          You do offer an interesting perspective. Come to think of it, many of these people commit more and more egregious crimes after they’re released, apparently in an effort to return to prison.
          If the crime is severe enough, how about we give ’em mileage? Give ’em a choice of walking back to civilization from the shore of the arctic ocean with nothing but a skinning knife and a sweater or dropping ’em in a chum slick ten miles offshore?

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            Now you’re getting into ‘second deportation’ areas.
            dump them from 30,000 feet, no parachute and let them consider the wisdom of their actions on the way down to an area no less than 500 miles from the nearest dry spot.

            THAT ends the entire recidivism problem.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            If anoxia don’t get ’em on the way down to 15,000, hitting the water at terminal velocity might, and then there’s that long swim, probably in the wrong direction. I like that solution to recidivism.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            I wouldn’t want to waste much time on their comfort level on their way down.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Just dump ’em into a pen of razorback hogs. Ya won’t have anything to clean up, and you’ll save all that jet fuel.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            They won’t have to opportunity to consider the errors of their ways.

            And even Razorbacks have their pride.

            oh….

            you’re are trying to rile the peta bunch…

          • Daniel F. Melton

            ***They won’t have to opportunity to consider the errors of their ways.***
            They’ll have four to six minutes that will seem like an eternity.

            ***And even Razorbacks have their pride.***
            None that I’ve ever seen. They’ll tackle a week dead cow with pure enjoyment.

            ***you’re are trying to rile the peta bunch…***
            No, not really. Mom’s family raised those piranha on split hooves back in NE Oklahoma (Arkansas West).

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            Feeding vermin to the razorbacks will be considered animal cruelty by the peta crowd.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Ya mean the same people that raised hell when they saw a picture of Spielberg next to the triceratops he “killed” ?

            http://imgur.com/yznKsSt

            They’ve got to be pissed about something. They apparently don’t know much about feral pigs.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            ALL they know is how to raise money to support themselves in a lifestyle far above what they are qualified to EARN.

            They also donate heavily to other subversive groups to help undermine the economy and gut the culture of America.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            Yagotit!

  • Stealth

    Ken Tolz is a blithering, assinine, moron, socialist PIG!!!!!

  • As important as it is for women to be able to protect themselves from predatory men, let’s not overlook that had government and society been based upon Yahweh’s immutable morality instead of the late 1700 Enlightenment founders’ concepts, not only would conceal and carry be a non-issue (Psalm 149:6-9, Luke 22:36, 1 Timothy 5:8, etc.), rape would be almost unheard of, to begin with.

    Under Biblical law, because, according to Exodus 21:16, kidnapping is a capital crime, and because every rape involves a kidnapping, every convicted rapist would immediately be put to death (Ecclesiastes 8:11) instead of coddled by the Constitutional judicial branch and it’s unbiblical tax-paid prison system.

    For more on how Yahweh’s triune moral law (His commandments, statutes, and judgments) apply and should be implemented today, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/law-kingdomFrame.html.

    Then be sure to check out our Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar for a free hard copy book.

    • newhon63

      It would be really cool if you would sum up your remarks instead of quoting something and get us all to go to your web site only to find out then if it is relevant to the discussion. I believe in God but am not completely familiar with the Bible. Save your scorn for this as the only one fit to judge me is God.

      • Newhon63, thanks for responding and for your suggestion.

        However, if you will re-read my comments, you’ll hopefully see that my first two paragraphs are the summation and the last two are for anyone wanting more information based upon that summation.

        • newhon63

          Perhaps it would help if you told us what made Yahwah’s immutable morality so righteous, then perhaps our curious in it would be peaked enough to go and read the whole thing. Right now all it sounds like is someone who was self-righteous and something between the period of Babylonian law and the beginning of the Christian faith. Where they were still had the mentality of ” an eye for an eye” but they were starting to feel bad about cutting someone’s hand off for stealing but were not quite there yet enough to stop doing it.

          This way then we would go and take your Constitutional survey too and get our free copy. Woot, Woot. While supplies last?

          • newhon63

            So what you are saying is that we should have continued in the footsteps of this Yahwah, instead of following the Founders of the Constitution?

            Since our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values(admittedly it is drifting away from them due to political correctness and the desire to cater to the minority instead of majority ruling as put forth in the Constitution) it would seem that we were on the right track until the amount of money the minority has to buy them a bullhorn drowns out the voice of the majority population.

            Before someone plays the race card on my comments.

            There was a time when someone said minority it meant that a body of people wanted an issue one way and another wanted it another way. The side with more people on it was referred to as “The Majority” and the side with less people on it were referred to as “The Minority”. When Majority ruled. The larger number of people called the shots. If the minority had 2 choices, sit down and shut up or work to change the minds of enough people so that they would become the majority

          • newhon63

            And it never had a thing to do with race, only what was desired by the most number of people in this nation.

          • HappyClinger

            We are not a democracy, which is majority-rule. We are a republic. And if you don’t know who Yahweh is, then you are not being truthful when you say you believe in God. You really need some more education. Pick up a good study Bible. and study it.

          • newhon63

            Funny how people jump in the middle of the beginning of an end and come to the aid of who they feel a kinship with.

            Read all my comments instead of the ones that make you feel justified in telling me to do a good Bible study. I have already admitted that I am not closely familiar with the Bible. But I did go and read what’s his face’s article. Turns out all he is doing is promoting a book he wrote. I do beleive in God. To have you tell me that begs me to point you to the Proverb 7:1, the first verse that comes up says ” do not judge, lest ye be judged.” Sounds like you self-righteous people continue to put your foot in your mouth by judging others you do not know and disregard this verse and jump to the ones you like to insult people with.

            He talked before he thought too. At any rate this is supposed to be about women who need protection on college campuses from perverts who lived in mommy’s basement too long and how they either need to be taken out or get pounded into pudding trying to rape a trained military woman. I am not going to keep talking about a book written by this man again.

          • Perhaps if you’ll convince me that you’re not someone I should apply Proverbs 26:4 and Matthew 7:6 to, I’ll take you up on your suggestion.

          • newhon63

            Hahaha. Now you are playing on my admitted weakness that I am not closely familiar with the Bible. Perhaps I would give it a try if you would stop playing verse games with me and say what you mean. I respect a man or woman more if they just tell me if they suspect I am an agent of Evil or Satan’s manifestation on Earth.

          • newhon63

            Hmmm……..Since I am not closely familiar with the bible. I looked up both the Proverbs and Matthew you mentioned.

            You are far from righteous. I do not claim to be.

            Proverbs 26:4
            Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be line unto him.

            So I am asking for you to clarify your remarks and I have to convince you Your words of wisdom are not going to be wasted on me?

            Your reference to Matthew 7:6 is nothing more than an insult in this instance.

            Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

          • If those passages do not fit you, please accept my apology.

            Because I receive responses from many to whom those passages do apply and because the intentions of your response were difficult to discern from the way it was worded, I wanted to make sure I wasn’t just wasting time with someone with evil intentions.

            That said, anymore will have to wait till morning as I’m about to leave my office to be with my family.

          • newhon63

            You should read your own stuff.

            Matthews 7:1

            Judge not. That ye be not judged.

            This is the end of our conversation. I will no longer respond to your posts. I used to work with an ordained Baptist minister that preached much the same you do. He took a few days off work. I asked him what he did on his time off. He said he had to go to Ohio to evict a family from his rental property because the husband fell ill and his wife had lost her job. I asked why he didn’t try to get them some help since they were having such trouble. He said ” Just because I am a preacher doesn’t mean I am obligated to let them live for free.” I told him” and what about mercy and helping your fellow man?”

            He walked away.

            I believe in the teachings of God but not in the people who preach it because they pick and choose what they want to live by and like some other religions they dilute it and alter it so as to shape it into what works best for them. It is all up for interpretation and mankind is flawed.

          • newhon63

            You have placed yourself in a category I call “Someone who uses God’s words to wound and belittle.” I was asking questions and looking for clarification. You used the above as veiled insults in my opinion. You condone killing according to YHWH laws but one of the 10 Commandments says “Thou shall not kill.” That one of those laws you say should not have been abolished but has?

            I see that you are hawking a book. How much are you charging and does the proceeds go into your pocket or are you going to claim it is for a obscure charity? Also not very holy to be profiting from God’s word.

            I admit I am a sinner. Do you have any trouble doing the same?
            It is a woman’s right to protect herself. Personally I would be walking down the street with my hand inside my purse ready to act in that situation. I am sure God would understand more about that than your profiteering from His word.

          • Clint

            I have discussed the Bible and Ted’s views with him in the past. I quit wasting my time. Ted thinks that the U.S. Constitution is not in keeping with Yahweh’s laws and would like for the US to do away with the Constitution and form a government around Yahweh’s laws as Ted understands them. I am very familiar with the Bible and I can tell you Ted uses the verses out of context. I quit wasting my time with Ted.

          • See “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/blvc-index.html and decide for yourself.

          • disqus_IK4JLhzYdo

            who is Yahweh?

          • YHWH, the English transliteration of the Tetragrammaton, is most often pronounced Yahweh. It is the principal Hebrew name of the God of the Bible and was inspired to appear nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament.

            I, thus, use His name in obedience to the Third Commandment and in honor of His memorial name (Exodus 3:15), and the multitudes of Scriptures that charge us to proclaim, swear by, praise, extol, call upon, bless, glorify, and hold fast to His name (many of which you can find listed at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/onlineBooks/third-commandment.html).

            Why is it that the name of every other false god at the time can be found in the Bible, but the name of the God of and who inspired the Bible has been removed? For more see our free online booklet on the Third Commandment at the URL above.

            Also, why should we be any less tenacious about naming our God than the Muslims are about naming their god Allah?

          • “The law of YHWH is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of YHWH is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of YHWH are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of YHWH is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of YHWH is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of YHWH are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.” (Psalm 19:7-11)

            “Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights. The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live.” (Psalm 119:142-144)

            For mores, see blog article “Yahweh’s Everlasting Righteousness, Pt. 1” at http://www.constitutionmythbusters.org/yahwehs-everlasting-righteousness-pt-1/, followed by Pt. 2.

            Or, listen to “Yahweh’s Everlasting Righteousness” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/tapelist.html#T983.

          • SRM29

            Are you Jewish or Christian? I never see you talk about Jesus. You know, the Son of God who died on the cross, taking our sins upon himself and becoming our Lord and savior? Rendering the Old Testament laws irrelevant and ancient history.

            God doesn’t need a name because there is only one god and He is it.

          • SRM29, thank you for responding.

            I don’t know about the Jesus you serve, but the one I serve certainly did not render Yahweh’s immutable moral triune law (His commandments, statutes, and judgments) irrelevant:

            “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
            or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
            commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19)

            “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into
            the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
            from me, ye that work iniquity [anomian – lawlessness].” (Matthew 7:21-23)

            “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)

            “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love….” (John 15:10)

            “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Revelation 12:17)

            “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep
            the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12)

            Consider also one of many of the Apostle Paul’s endorsements for the law:

            “Do we then make void [irrelevant] the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

            For more, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/law-kingdomFrame.html.

  • therain

    Little girly ken is probably a prime target, but too squeamish about pulling a trigger.

  • Dodie1990

    Hopefully the women will shoot and kill the attacker. That will prevent him from doing it again.

  • MH Snider

    This is in Colorado, I guess this idiot hasn’t been paying very much attention to what happened to the anti gun people that were in office in his state. What a IDIOT,

    • HappyClinger

      Right you are. Plus, we have already repealed the campus carry ban at least once, because it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL. But these extremists never quit. Don’t they realize we are the ones with the guns??????

  • Wumingren

    Perhaps Toltz is a rapist who targets college women, and he’s afraid he’ll get popped the next time he tries to have his way with one.

    • newhon63

      I hope I get to read about a time when one of those rapist tries it with one of our trained military women and she kicks the crap out of him, yanks out all the important plumbing and leaves him tied up in the middle of the campus with a note……..

      “Semper Fi”

    • Clint

      If he attacked the women I know he would be correct. He would get popped with a double tap center mass. A double tap center mass would probably take the lead out of his pencil and ruin his mood.

  • I have heard the issue broken down like this and I hope I do it justice. Persuasion can take two paths one civilized and one aggressive. In either, a person attempts to convince the other person to comply. But with only one is the outcome voluntary.
    Consider a small woman making an emergency run to the store late accosted by a large thug. The thug may desire, money, sex whatever and the woman attempts to persuade the thug to refrain from assaulting her. His mind is fixated in the coercion mode and trusts his superior size to overwhelm her civilized pleas. However, upon exhibiting a pistol and the apparent knowledge of its operation, the thug finds his apparent power removed. Civilized discourse can now ensue as they together discuss alternative possibilities. Thus, a pistol can allow civilized conversation to return.

    • CrustyOldGeezer

      So would three rounds in his abdomen.

      They could chat whilst awaiting the ambulance….

      IF she remembers to call for one.

      • No problem with that scenario. Order is restored, conversation can now continue and I expect the woman would have his attention, depending on how many rounds she still had.

        • CrustyOldGeezer

          My wife’s 9mm holds 9.

    • Clint

      You do mean civilized conversation while he is on the ground bleeding and waiting for an ambulance, don’t you?

      • After firing one round into the assailant, he will be more likely believe you when you state you will fire another. Perhaps it has something to do with the sound of the argument.

        • CrustyOldGeezer

          I prefer 3 rounds to the abdomen if you are using hollow points or other expanding projectiles.

          Dead center chest for round or flat nosed to hit solid bone to transfer the energy.

          They don’t get jerked backward like the movies, but they do lose a bunch of forward momentum from each solid hit.

  • newhon63

    My apologizes to Jan Morgan for going off subject below but I see references to the Bible on issues like this and I felt it needed to be addressed. All he is doing is selling a book.

    • Clint

      I made the same decision you did. Cut off communications.

  • Randy131

    “Gun Control Advocate: Arming Women is NOT the Answer to Stopping Sexual Assault.”

    No, it definitely is not, but it’s a ‘Damn Good Beginning’, and it definitely empowers women to fight back against sexual assault, which for my daughters or my wife, I would want them to have that ability if they ever found themselves in that precarious position. So perpetrators beware, for mercy nor empathy will be afforded by those carrying ‘HEAT’ to those with evil intentions, as it should always be.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Disarming women only protects the offenders… maybe this clod is or was one, so takes their “side” against their potential vics…

    • Clint

      Sandra apparently Clash Daily has a problem with me so I won’t be using Clash any longer. I just do not understand why they require my home phone number. I get more than my share of robo calls as it is. Now to your great point. I wish every sane woman to be armed and trained to use the weapon. I would always come to their aid if needed and I could physically get to them, but I had much rather for every lady to have the help she needs at her finger tips. I used to think that people were just born stupid but I have come to realize that there are many who work really hard at becoming so. ;<)

      • sandraleesmith46

        Sorry to hear that. It seems to be happening a lot. Please drop me an e-mail at my posted name @gmail.com so we don’t lose contact. I know a LOT of people being pushed off various sites in the past 6 or so months, by a variety of methods. I don’t think it’s Disqus, and I’m not sure it’s the site owners either. I’ll explain off site.
        i think you’re right about the deliberate ignorance/stupidity too. One does have to wonder why any would choose to do that, however… :-/

  • Ribbey

    Nonsense…! Of course it does. It saved me 3 times in 50 yrs..!! It absolutely does stop it!

  • Cami W

    Hi Jan and thank you for adding me to your mailing list. The guy is a liar, a handgun certainly kept a rapiist out of our friend’s home one night when she heard someone trying to break in. Hubby and I both have Arkansas CCWs, and we legally carry where ever it’s legal. It’s also on record, a gun stopped a robbery at one of the liquor stores in Texarkana years ago, Dad was the clerk and no shot was fired.

  • CrustyOldGeezer

    Why do the liberal politicians and their willing accomplices in the RINO party insist on protecting democrat voters by not keeping them off the streets until they PROVE they have good manners?

    20 years of swinging a 12 pound sledge and making tiny rocks out of really big rocks tend to instill the urge to do better.

    No TV, libraries, legal assistance at public expense, the cheapest foods available, limited medical care to emergency only, one visit per month by one person.

    Eventually they will get the point.

  • Rexas

    It seems that the ones making this about politics is this side that says they are two different issues. This is a way to empower ladies to defend themselves, it is a great equalizer. It is also a deterrent to rapists in general to know more and more women are carrying guns to defend themselves. Seems pretty simple to me.
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  • Russ

    Another man trying to tell women how to live and be safe. I find it hard to believe some college women haven’t taken this guy to task. Women have every right to defend themselves any way they wish. Please ladies stand up for your self’s, I won’t try to tell you whats right, but you what makes you feel safe and secure. Read the book ” the gift of fear”.

  • Dodged5

    Toltz may be correct that concealed carry is not the ultimate answer to solving the sexual assault problem on campus but until he or someone else comes up with that untimate solution to put a permanent stop to it, concealed carry is a very good answer for the interim. People that complain about and offer no viable solutions have nothing to say worth listening to.

  • ADRoberts

    Sounds to me like Toltz and his “group” just might be a bunch of racists who don’t want to face any LEAD poisoning.
    What other reason could he have for denying women of the ability to defend themselves against such aggression? I can’t think of ONE THING.
    No, he has an agenda. And it does not involve the safety of women.

  • newhon63

    The saying goes” when seconds count. Cops are minutes away.” I don’t fault the cops for it. They can’t be everywhere at once. But we all have the right to defend ourselves. Period. And we do not need to check to see if it is okay with government.

    I would rather the cops come to my house to take a statement about the circumstances surrounding the events that ended up with an intruder laying on my living room floor with 2 bullet holes to the chest than for the cops and forensic investigators to come and piece together why my son and I are laying on the floor ,each with a bullet hole to the head, what was stolen, how long ago it happened and who might be responsible.

    There was a story about a young man who had been breaking into the same house. One time the owner shot and killed him and the family said he didn’t deserve to be killed.

    Personally. I don’t have many friends but the ones I do have use the front door to knock at. They don’t use the window to come in. They also come over when I am awake, not at 3am. If they do come over that late, it is because there is a party or something. And they STILL use the door. The only mistake that kid made was he started breaking in to houses. Now he isn’t.

  • traitorhater

    I have yet to hear the first case of a legal firearm permit holder committing a crime with it anywhere.

  • Lee Dutra

    Sounds to me like this Toltz guy might be one of the perpetrators in these attacks and he’s afraid he’ll have to find a new line to attract women.

  • US Army (retired)

    Let’s assume I am a woman.

    Let’s see Ball point pens, whistles, safe zones and call boxes. THAT really gives me a gauntlet of defenses. What are you supposed to do, whistle to the tune of Disney’s “Whistle While You Work”, while being raped? If it’s work do you get paid? Police call boxes need keys, does the Dean furnish keys? What if threatening to use the call box scares the rapist off? Does the Dean then file charges against me for having turned in a false alarm? Do the rapists let you alone when you are in a “safe” zone? and finally Ball Point Pens. Do I write a note to the perp “Do Not Rape Me?”. What if I put on the note “Pretty Please do not rape me!”. What happens when the rapist is the typical ‘low information rat voter’ and is illiterate? Do I have to read him his note or can he claim his Miranda rights were violated?

  • US Army (retired)

    I think most people are missing the liberal thought pattern which is the biggest threat to our Liberty. The liberal argument to ban weapons is based on two and only two arguments. First argument is that ‘no one really needs a rifle like the AR-15′ or no one needs a handgun with 15 round magazines.’ The second is that ‘for the safety and common good, it is necessary to remove the right to own a weapon with military type features or a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.’ So let me make something perfectly clear: At NO time are we required to justify our ‘need’ of anything to the federal government.

    As big of a threat to individual liberty that a ban on some particular weapons is and as bad a president that it sets for further gun grabbing by the federal government, it pales in comparison to the concept that the government can begin to base policy on the government deciding what the American citizen ‘needs.’ Really, when you come to think about it, removing a citizen’s rights based on government defined needs is about as good a description of socialism as you can find and in reality, is the best explanation why citizens need the ability to defend themselves.

  • bambam55

    My thoughts are every law abiding citizen should be given a long rifle and a hand gun and trained in the correct usage of said weapon then they should all be trained in concealed carry I if a criminal goes to rape a woman and he gets dead O WELL our justice system sucks they just let the criminals go.This

  • bambam55

    This IDIOT tolltz evidently has no women in his family to worry about if he did like someone else said he’d worry or maybe he’s one of the RAPISTS and he’s afraid he’ll get shot MMMMMMMM makes you wonder

  • foxxybey

    Well the idiots speak out once again, women can protect themselves if armed and hope the rapist wake up to the fact or die.

  • Gregory Alan of Johnson

    Of course it is an answer, and one of many.

  • Virgil Ferguson

    This guy is probably looking out for himself. Don’t want to get shot when he decides to rape somebody. Is he a Muslime ???

  • mjnellett

    Sounds to me like Ken Toltz doesn’t want women armed because it would mess up HIS sex life?? Somebody needs to put him in a room with a huge,depraved, muscular gay guy, and find out what rape is really like!!

  • Russ

    Sounds like this guy wants to be able to approach a woman without the fear of a gun being shoved in his gut!

  • Sardis

    Most rape, particularly on-campus rape, is committed by people known to the victim–friends, acquaintances, classmates. Date rape involving alcohol is common. It’s not usually an action-hero-fantasy scenario where a strange man breaks in, and the woman has a chance to whip out her gun and slay her attacker. Preventing rape is an important common goal, but like Safe Campus’s founder said, arming everyone is “not the way to go.”

    Allowing undergraduates to carry concealed firearms sounds incredibly stupid. Mentally and emotionally, the undergrad years can be some of the most unstable years of a person’s life. There’s overabundant alcohol consumption and abuse of other substances too. Kids are under a lot of stress. They make foolish choices. Adding guns to the equation is not going to make anyone safer; really, the opposite is true.

  • wdcraftr

    When All Govt. politicians, including the President, walk, and drive around 24/7 with No firearms, or Security personnel, as just the citizens that we are, then maybe I will Think about going outside Unarmed.. Till then, 2nd Amendment baby!

  • Daniel F. Melton

    Doesn’t this fool realize that an armed woman would eliminate the problem on the spot rather than having to suffer the humiliation and indignation of being made to testify against her attacker?
    It would certainly reduce the number of second offenses by the perpetrators, even if they survive the first encounter.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    Why don’t we turn the leftists’ words on them, “If it saves just one assault victim, we should arm all women.”